posted February 05, 2003 11:36 AM               

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Originally posted by gothcityfan:
I dont know about you, but i remember when tpb's were reprints, not cliff notes. Size is an issue? Heh, i remember when faithfully, and COMPLETELY reprinting the material was an issue. Return of the Superman is one huge trade, but if commisioned today, it probably would be split in two, and have some parts cut, horribly confusing the reader and forcing them to come on a message board asking what happened here? Knigtfall was split into two huge trades itself. What do both of these examples have in common? Both were reprinted in their entirety.

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Actually, from what I recall (and we've already seen that my memory is faulty), the Return of the Supermen trade also was missing some material -- not whole issues, but pages of subplots cut to (I assume) make an already-long story more concise, and an already-large book more affordable.

posted February 05, 2003 11:44 AM               

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
Sure, there's a chance GRIP or either VERTIGO POP mini is collected, just nothing approved as of now.

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Glad to hear it could happen -- I've heard nothing but good things about VP: London.

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
For the Batman volumes, we do the same thing and of course not everyone will be happy. Heck, I was a little miffed to assemble FUGITIVE 1-2 and suddenly discover the story was over and Sasha was still in jail. Then I read DETECTIVE 773-775, and saw more with David Cain in BATMAN so I approached Matt Idelson and we realized we needed one more collection to close out the story. Look for a third and final volume in September.

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Also nice to hear -- I miss Sasha already.

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
Yes, there will be second volumes for both FABLES and Y this year.

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And since these are my favorite new titles, I'm thrilled with this news. I buy the individual issues of Fables, but I waited for the trade to Y. What a great series! My first thought after finishing the first trade was to compare it to the thrills on 24 -- it's that kind of breakneck fun.

posted February 05, 2003 12:09 PM               

Some of us over in "Other DCU Topics" are wondering what DC title first bore a "mature readers" label.

In some sense, this is an Archives-related question.

Yes, it is.

posted February 05, 2003 01:38 PM               

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Originally posted by Rob Staeger:
Actually, from what I recall (and we've already seen that my memory is faulty), the Return of the Supermen trade also was missing some material -- not whole issues, but pages of subplots cut to (I assume) make an already-long story more concise, and an already-large book more affordable.

Rob

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Actually, during that arc, there were no subplots running except things that were relevant to the story. Stuff that was cut was mostly at the end, like the Green Lantern tie-in, which had a few pages cut, mostly because it repeated what was told in Superman #82. Plus, only select pages were picked from the two epilogue chapters: AoS #505 and Action #792

posted February 05, 2003 01:41 PM               

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1.)EMPEROR JOKER was an interesting storyline but not well-received enough, it seems to collect.

2.)Then I read DETECTIVE 773-775, and saw more with David Cain in BATMAN so I approached Matt Idelson and we realized we needed one more collection to close out the story. Look for a third and final volume in September.

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1.) That's too bad. I was hoping that it would come out. Mostly since trying to find that Emperor Joker issue is kinda hard.

posted February 05, 2003 04:50 PM               

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Originally posted by bluedevil2002:
I hope that it would include Detective #773-775, Batman #606-607, and GK #32, since all showed stories wrapping up the threads that were left. (Sasha, Cain, and Bruce Wayne returning, respectfully)

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Ditto, and BAtgirl #3 and Robin #105 are also relevant, although i wouldnt be surprised to see that cut (a la #604).

posted February 05, 2003 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by NerveTonic:
Some of us over in "Other DCU Topics" are wondering what DC title first bore a "mature readers" label.

In some sense, this is an Archives-related question.

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To make it really Archives related, I saw several retailers listing Wonder Woman Archives v1 as "Mature Readers" when it was released, almost certainly due to bondage on nearly every-other page. And yet, the book itself doesn't have this label. Hmmmmm....

posted February 05, 2003 05:56 PM            

I'm reasonably certain that the first Mature Readers label was on a Swamp Thing comic (around the mid 50s maybe). If I get a chance, I'll check out the other thread.

I don't know the exact time that the ads stopped appearing, but I can give some insight.

posted February 05, 2003 06:04 PM               

-A robin trade reprinting batman #460, 480, and robin III #1-6

"As I have repeatedly stated here, the bookstore buyers (representing a growing percentage of our business) prefer story arcs. So one-offs here and there or mini-arcs get tougher to collect. Impossible? No. Just tougher."

posted February 05, 2003 08:24 PM               

I realize that the task is a HUGE one but boy-oh-boy it sure'd be cool.

One vote from me.

Jim

posted February 05, 2003 08:50 PM               

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Originally posted by kid colt:
And, I believe Congorilla could be done in one.

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posted February 06, 2003 12:18 AM               

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Originally posted by gothcityfan:
Repeating my earlier tpb suggestions- ...

-A robin trade reprinting batman #460, 480, and robin III #1-6

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Coincidentally, I just found those Robin III issues (with some others) in a quarter bin today...

of course, they were in Portuguese (I think -- it's Spanish-looking, but it ain't Spanish!)

So now, I'd like this trade more than ever -- I've gotta learn me a new tongue! (Although I figured out that "insano Duas-Caras" means "insane Two-Face!")

Rob

posted February 06, 2003 08:46 AM               

I realize the labyrinth of legal hoops one would have to jump through, but imagine a collected edition of JERRY LEWIS tales.

There were appearances by Superman, Flash, Batman, and Wonder Woman that would appeal to the comic fans, as well as a few odd art jobs by Neal Adams sprinkled around.

posted February 06, 2003 09:05 AM            

Which two issues of JLA/Avengers is DC publishing?

posted February 06, 2003 09:12 AM               

I'll have to go reread BGK #32 since my line-up for Fugitive 3 called for TEC 773-775, Bat 606-607 and BG #33.

As for the WHO'S WHO, that was me idly thinking out loud, don't read anything into it.

The Jerry Lewis idea has been floated before, but for some reason we never do it.

If I recall, DC is publishing issues 1-3, Marvel is publishing issues 2-4. We do the collection, I believe.

posted February 06, 2003 09:19 AM               

I collect very few monthlies anymore, as I've really grown to prefer the TPB format. I'm too busy, and have too poor a memory (!) to recall what happened in a comic book a month or two months ago, so I prefer reading a story arc in one sitting. Plus, I found myself buying both the monthlies and the trades, thus spending a lot of money I didn't need to. So, anyway...

I thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents on what material I'd like to see collected.

Byrne Superman: It remains one of my favorite runs on the title, and also marks when I started collecting Superman in earnest. I was pleased to see Bob hint that something's in the works for this...

Wolfman/Ordway Superman: This teams run on Adventures of Superman was wonderful. Ordway is amazing.

Robin: Again, please to see that there's a new Robin collection coming this year. Little disappointed that it doesn't pick up from the "Flying Solo" trade. The rest of the Dixon/Grummet run deserves to be collected, imho.

ok, call me a freak but I'd love to see trades of:

Super Powers: The various mini-series that showcased and promoted the popular 80s toyline. With the current 80s nostalgia, such a trade would fit in well (a la the SuperFriends tpbs) and plus there was some Kirby stuff in there (not his best, but still...)

Batman: Legacy: This needs to go back to press for one reason: I missed it, and can't find it anywhere! ;-)

Batman: Legends of the Dark Night: More arcs need to be collected!

Well, that's I can think of at the moment - I'm sure there's obvious things I'm missing. Bob, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to the fans on this forum. That's great. I'll be watching the thread with much interest, tpb fan that I am!

Thanks!

posted February 06, 2003 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by gothcityfan:
I can't understand why the batman titles can't be reprinted. Bookstore fans prefer the arcs?

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I expect DC is probably making financially reasonable decisions here, but it really is too bad. In the three years post-NML the three main Batman titles have been about the best superhero comics around. Rucka, Grayson, and Brubaker really got to the core of Bruce Wayne. (Batgirl and Harley Quinn were great too.) Just excellent work, and it is too bad that not all of it is going to live on in an evergreen format.

posted February 06, 2003 10:48 AM               

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
I'll have to go reread BGK #32 since my line-up for Fugitive 3 called for TEC 773-775, Bat 606-607 and BG #33.

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posted February 06, 2003 11:04 AM               

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Originally posted by Rob Staeger:
Coincidentally, I just found those Robin III issues (with some others) in a quarter bin today...

of course, they were in Portuguese (I think -- it's Spanish-looking, but it ain't Spanish!)

So now, I'd like this trade more than ever -- I've gotta learn me a new tongue! (Although I figured out that "insano Duas-Caras" means "insane Two-Face!")

Rob

*another fun fact -- in an introduction, while Aqualad, Bucky, and Robin retain their American names, the sidekick of the Arqueiro Verde (probably Green Arrow) is named Ricardito!

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Everything you assumed is correct.

Robin III was a 3-issue miniseries published in Brazil by Editora Abril. Some of the names of the characters remain the same, like Aqualad, and some are changed like Speedy that became Ricardito.

It's a fun fact that I live in Portugal and that's one miniseries I'd like to own but I never saw it here for sale!

Someday I'll buy it through the internet :-)

My best regards,

posted February 06, 2003 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
I'll have to go reread BGK #32 since my line-up for Fugitive 3 called for TEC 773-775, Bat 606-607 and BG #33.

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Could you perhaps take another look at BATMAN # 604, as well? Technically, it takes place before # 605, but I don't think there's anything in the issue that has to be read as occurring beforehand, and you haven't had too much trouble jiggling with the order of given parts of the story so far to make for more coherent volumes. (And you all have done a splendid job of doing that so far, by the way.) Batman could just as easily have been continuing to contemplate his "true identity" as part of the aftermath of FUGITIVE.

I believe the central character moment for Batman/Bruce Wayne in the whole MURDERER?/FUGITIVE saga was in that issue--in the last few pages, to be precise. It's there that he realizes conclusively that "Bruce Wayne" isn't just a mask but rather a key part of what "Batman" is; his values (as "Batman") derive ultimately from those of his father, Thomas Wayne.